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echo your sentiments. When I was a little kid in the 70's, I thought Kirk was the clear hero, but as I got older, the more I appreciated Spock (and Leonard Nimoy's nuanced performances) and the way the show needed both characters together to make the show more than just a simple action-adventure series. I fear that J.J. Abrams, not being a life-long Trek fan, may lack this appreciation and he will ruin the Spock part of this new movie. I'm afraid that either Spock will be all teen-angsty, like some leftover character from Abrams' show Felicity, or be too robotic, showing no emotions at all (which we know the real Spock has, deeply buried though they may be). If I am wrong about this, I will be happy, even if the rest of the movie is disappointing.

Hell, I teared up just reading the words... "I have been, and always will be your friend". Thanks for the trip down memory lane :)

The bench is one of my favorite moments in reality TV as well...
Invasion Iowa is on DVD May 19th!

Good grief! You just described my life growing up.

Chuck, I'm glad to hear I'm not alone -- ah, the Interwebs, bringing all us together over our weird little shared childhood experiences! :)

Joules, it's hard to say about New Spock (Quinto) because he gets such a boost (and a challenge -- which he fully steps up to) from having Nimoy around in the new film to fill in the sense of who and what Spock is.

The New Spock does come off different -- a bit more petulant (by Vulcan standards) and expressive. As I tried to note in my review -- you get some of the little emotional tics here and there that you saw in the Old Spock later in the series or the later films.

Which is probably a good thing -- the original Spock WAS a bit robotic in the early episode of the show, so I don't think I mind Abrams and Quinto starting their version a bit closer toward "human." Their New Spock certainly does not play as teen-angsty, thankfully (though you are right -- the entire film and new cast DOES come off a BIT more like they're on a young adult TV Show, but for now it's forgivable... as long as they don't KEEP acting like that in the next film.)

Anyway, I have to say Quinto did a fine job with New Spock -- and seeing Nimoy again as Old Spock is just wonderfully heart-warming -- he just BREATHES the character so naturally.

Sara, I'm genuinely surprised anyone (other than Riverside citizens) even SAW Invasion Iowa! And I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one, four years later, still going on about how touching the bench scene is.

But most of all I'm thrilled to hear it WILL finally be on DVD! So I can see if I've over-inflated the scenes in my memory... (I have a VHS tape of it somewhere, god knows where).

For the rest of you, if you do seek out Invasion Iowa (and I'm sure, with the new Trek here, Mr. Shatner and the show's producers are very much hoping you WILL), be warned--it's NOT really a great reality show. I'm not sure if I just have a soft spot for it because I grew up near there. But what I like about it (other than the moving parts with Mr. Rath) is that it so clearly sets out to be ONE thing (a Punk'd style hoax show) and then, when that fails, it sort of accidentally morphs into something else -- an oddly earnest (and yeah, goofy) look at life in a typical small farm town.

OK, having read the review today, I have learned that New Spock is different from the mature, controlled dignified Spock he later becomes. It sounds like he has his own wild rebellious streak. Should be interesting. I can live with a certain amount of the screenwriters ignoring the original mythos (Kirk hooking up with Uhura, for instance), as long as they don't completely rewrite "history". I always did want to know some more back story of the original characters -- maybe there's more backstory in the Trek novels (which I've never read)?

One more comment: One of the many reasons I love "The Big Bang Theory" is Sheldon's love for Spock. (Rock/Paper/Scissors/Lizard/Spock!)
When my brother and I were kids, he read the Trek novels, but I've only watched the shows and movies. Can anyone recommend any novels or non-fiction books about Star Trek to round out my education and turn me from a Trekkie to a full-fledged Trekker? Thanks!

After the early '80s, I never really read any of the many, MANY Star Trek novels, so I'm not sure about the "semi-canonical" stuff that's been published about the characters' youth -- though I was looking at Star Trek timeline the other day and picked up some clues there.

However, the entire conceit of Abrams' new Trek is that Nero's appearance at the point of Kirk's birth CHANGES all the previous continuity (or rather, creates an ALTERNATE continuity universe for Abrams and future Trek film makers to play with and fill as they please). So Kirk's father George doesn't live to see his son graduate from the Academy, etc. (Though it's a bit unclear -- in the best "it's just a movie" sense -- how George Kirk's earlier death affects things 25 years later like Spock's love life and Scotty's icey assignment.)

But as I mentioned in my review, the period most Trekkies had hoped to see more of -- Kirk, Spock, and McCoy's years at Starfleet Academy -- is almost completely skipped over.

(For years there was talk of a new Trek series that was set at the Academy, allowing more of teen-drama vibe -- you can't help but wonder if, Smallville-style, Paramount still entertains the notion of doing such a TV series to fill in those years and complement the new feature films.)

And yes, the film's New Spock is definitely given a bit of a rebellious streak that frankly suits the character well. In fact one thing I never got to in my over-long review is that the film, certainly geared toward attracting teen viewers, has an ongoing theme of young, rebellious characters showing up their stodgy, out-of-it elders. I don't mind that -- it fits the Trek characters at that stage of their life. But I hope that once the new film is a huge success and a new generation of viewers is hooked, future feature films won't pander QUITE so blatantly to the Extreme Sports Energy Drink Why Generation and let Kirk and Spock start to mature a bit.

I agree -- I have a friend who reads EVERY Trek book and on top of that is a sharp-minded literary critic, so I would LOVE to see his list of the Top 10 (or 20) Trek novels to read. (Though I've been iffy on some of his recommendations in the past.)

But by all means, folks, fire away -- let's hear your picks for best fiction or non-fiction Star Trek books!

(and I did watch a bit of The Big Bang Theory and enjoyed it and especially Sheldon -- I haven't seen the Rock/Paper/Lizard/Spock episode, but from what I've heard it sounds hilarious)

So after reading Erika's "non-Trekkie" review of the film, I got to thinking -- if someone comes to Abrams' Star Trek completely unfamiliar with the franchise (other than just the general pop-culture echoes everyone knows), and they love it and want to "learn more about it," where do you send them first? What TOS episodes do you point to? What feature films? Do you recommend any of DS9, STNG, Voyager or Enterprise?

Personally, I'd say for starters you give them maybe a half dozen TOS "best of/must see" episodes and then, of course Khan. I'm not sure about the rest of the TOS-cast films -- personally I love Khan and Undiscovered Country (the true "end" of the TOS Star Trek), but Search for Spock is good, and many folks love Voyage Home (probably because it's the most jolly and good-natured and the least geeky -- I have no use for it because heck, the Enterprise isn't even IN the film, except at the end). Definitely not The Motion Picture or The Final Frontier, right? At least not at first...

And what TOS episodes do you recommend? If you were going to say, here are six TOS eps, watch them this weekend and you'll "get it", which ones do you point a newcomer to?

I guess everyone would probably say Ellison's "City on the Edge of Forever," and also "Balance of Terror" (though all of the latter's Romulan continuity is now wiped away by the new film -- the whole point of "Balance of Terror" was that no one in the Federation had ever SEEN a Romulan in person). "Mirror, Mirror" also comes up on a lot of folks' lists.

What else? As a kid I loved "The Doomsday Machine" because it just freaked me out, the idea of this unthinking, unstoppable agent of destruction. (I loved the Borg for the same reason, until STNG and Voyager started slowly making the Borg more human, more communicative and reasonable.)

And of course, "The Trouble With Tribbles," though that functions mainly as a comic lark -- and while Abrams' new Trek certainly includes some of the traditional Star Trek humor (though a bit more slapstick), I don't know if you'd hold "Tribbles" up as representative of what TOS Trek "is", or would you?

"Devil in the Dark" was, I think, one of the very first episodes I ever saw--at least the image of the Horta and Spock's mind-meld remains one of my earliest Trek memories.

"Arena" of course was a favorite as a kid--and one of the Trek moments most often mocked: Kirk fighting the giant rubber-headed Gorn lizard man.

"Space Seed" maybe? For Montalban and for the back story for Khan?

Entertainment Weekly once said (14 years ago):

1. The City on the Edge of Forever
2. Space Seed
3. Mirror, Mirror
4. The Doomsday Machine
5. Amok Time
6. The Devil in the Dark
7. The Trouble with Tribbles
8. This Side of Paradise
9. The Enterprise Incident
10. Journey to Babel

Anyone out there want to chime in? Let's say you're giving a newcomer a TOS starter pack. You can include three movies and six episodes. What would they be?

Or would you (gasp!) skip TOS and send them to STNG, DS9, or even (double gasp!) Voyager or Enterprise?

Welcome back from second helpings.

You pointed me here from the movie thread - and, wow, I'm a bit older than you but I guess we midwestern kids share some DNA, as many of your touchstones are spot-on with mine: the James Blish books, Siskel & Ebert, even the monster models with the glow-in-the-dork (er, *dark*) hands and faces. Then there's our wierdly similar paragraphs on The Doomsday Machine.

On the "starter pack" thing, I have been going through the same thing with my kids. The "remastered" original series episodes popped up on one of the syndicated stations, I set up the replay, and now I can steer them to the ones worth their time. I think you make a mistake, though, staying with the "great" episodes. Half the charm of Old Trek is in the cheese, and we enjoyed "Arena" (slow motion mano-a-Gorn combat and all) and especially the mind-boggling wierdness of "Who Mourns for Adonis" as much as "Space Seed". Throw in any of the Kirk-outsmarts-a-computer episodes. From there to movies II, III, and IV (or "The Wrathful Search for Home", as my friend Mike calls them), and you've got basically everything you need to enjoy the new film to its fullest.

I thought about it, and I can't decide which TOS episodes are key - JGM is right - some are wonderfully cheesy (A Piece of the Action), some are important for future reference (Space Seed), some are part of pop culture (The Trouble with Tribbles), some are 1960's trippy (The Way to Eden), some have a message (Let That Be Your Last Battlefield), some are noteworthy for the guest stars (too many to list).

As for the scariest TOS foe - I vote for the creepy flying jellyfish thingies in "Operation -- Annihilate!" Those things freaked me out when I was a kid, and they still do: their gross blister-like appearance, the way they hid on the ceiling, the way they latched onto their victims, and the squeaking sounds they made when wounded. They gave me more nightmares than "Jaws" or "The Exorcist" ever did!

JGM and Joules, I fully agree that the cheesy, kinda cringe-worthy episodes are an equally important part of loving Star Trek (and while Kirk's actual hand-to-hand COMBAT with the big rubber Gorn is pretty funny in Arena, the overall episode itself is pretty solid), but my fear is that those are the kinds of episodes that non-Trek fans have been using to mock the series (and its fans) for decades.

If someone new to Trek loves Abrams' new film, I think we'd want to start them off on TOS with some of the really strong episodes in order to avoid scaring them off with the High Cheese. :)

Thanks for the trip down memory lane and all of the Iowa references! (from a non-native re-transplant Iowan)

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