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I am dazed and confused about this blog. Why does pixar have to show strong willed women? I am a woman and I don't have to see those on film to feel better about myself. And my child who is a boy so much out there in tv and toys is all girl power all for the ladies and beleive it or not it is hard to find books, programs and even movies that appeal to him as a child who is a boy not a girl.... hmhmm just a thought.

Speaking as a female adult fan of Pixar, I absolutely agree with this post. I'm glad you mention that upcoming film, because I was just about to give up hope for Pixar's featuring any strong female characters, or rather any female main characters at all. It has annoyed me because otherwise, I love everything else about their movies (eh, except Cars was just likable).

Brad Bird's 1906, baby! Yeah!

And I disagree with "The Lyles". I, personally, enjoy strong women characters (perhaps it's because I watch so much "West Wing" and "Sports Night", no?) and would love to see some more compelling ones (a la Elastigirl). And yes, I too would love to see an Incredibles 2. I was on the edge of my seat for that entire film.

I would also like to add: Give professional voice actors a chance! For a studio that always talks about "quality first", Pixar relies way too much on starpower. Don't get me wrong, they seem to know what they are doing and Wall-E and Up aren't really star vehicles, but am I the only one who thinks that it's a shame that Owen Wilson, Billy Crystal or Ellen DeGeneres play big roles in these movies, but Frank Welker, John DiMaggio or Tara Strong don't?

This is a ridiculous article. Everywhere you turn everybody has to complain about something. Why don't you just enjoy the great movies they put out and stop trying to rain on everybody else's parade. Who cares if there is a woman character in it or not, or a male character in it for that matter, it is a movie meant for entertainment. Your kids don't care if the lead cartoon character is a male or a female, they just want to be entertained. And before I'm accused of being sexist, my favorite character in "Finding Nemo" was Ellen DeGeneres, she made that movie funny the way she portrayed Dory. I also like the fact that they are keeping their movies rated G - PG because they keep it where parents can enjoy it just as much as their kids. I still remember going to see "The Land Before Time" with my parents as a child. I am 27 now, and enjoy their movies for the simple fact that they are funny and entertaining. I don't always want to see blood squirting out of a wound or profanities getting used every other scene. I hope Pixar continues using the formula that has made them as successful as they are now.

Interesting stuff, I haven't seen Up yet but felt much the same after seeing the over-praised Wall-E. I do bet you don't have little kids, though, because when my kids were little we *depended* on Disney (in the Mermaid-through-Lion King era) and Pixar to put out quality stuff that we could take them to, buy for them, and feel good about. If they had taken a year off to make a PG-13 SF flick, I would have been quite disappointed.

Um, one other little thing that convinces me you aren't in touch with the kid-world: Lightning McQueen of "Cars" is pretty much the uber-totem for toddler boys nationwide, where "Incredibles" dealt with middle-age angst as much as anything. *I* know which sequel would do better.

James, i love this article. It makes its points so well, while also giving credit where it's due.

'the animation is not a genre' thing especially. If it's not a genre try something else. It was disappointing that i learned that the sci-fi picture JOHN CARTER OF MARS (which would not be a children's film, but sci-fi) was not going to be a Pixar film after all.

Also: as someone who really loves films about women, i'd like to see more diversity. Plus... though Lyles is right that there are many entertainments for children that are "girl power" oriented, underneath the surface they're not very empowering. The whole "princess" thing can't be all that healthy (when it's the only point of view). Pixar has greater emotional complexity so it'd be nice if they trained that on female characters, too.

PIXAR has amazing female characters. They're not the main characters, but they are a crucial point to the story, and even though a lot of PIXAR movies are buddy comedies (amazing ones at that), they have some excellent female characters. How can you say they don't write female characters strongly after watching "Finding Nemo" and seeing Dory, probably their most inspired character in any of their films (and despite her handicap, she's a strong character and drives a lot of the story). Also, Wall-E does not exist without EVE, and EVE is amazing. She doesn't talk, but she has quite a personality, and she's dangerous. You also have to watch the scene in Ratatouille where Collette sticks the knives on Linguini's sleeve to drive the point that there are not enough women in the cooking world. If that's not strong, I don't know what is (the woman drives a motorcycle and is a great source for conflict with the main relationship). The Incredibles has plenty of amazing female characters (not just Elastigirl and Violet, but Edna Modes and Mirage as well, and in Monsters Inc, the entire plot is set in motion by this little girl. PIXAR does write great female characters, but maybe they just don't put them in the center, because they are more comfortable with male characters. If it makes for the kinds of films they make, that's fine by me.

I don't know about you, but it seems to me that Pixar is still flexing it's muscles trying to find out what it is capable of. But not in an exploratory way. It seems to me that they are honing. A skill just as important, if not more so, as exploration. They seem to be sticking to the same formula because they can't just remake the same film over and over again until it reaches perfection. So they are doing the next best thing: remaking the same kind of film over and over until they have reached perfection. I would argue that they exploration is happening, though. The exploration is occurring in their "shorts." I think that after Up, we will start to see more exploration pretty quickly, if they can subvert their owners' money-making principle of "stick with what works."

I understand why some people have concerns regarding female characters.

There's been an increasing feeling over the years that 98% of the blockbusters/great films (which UP is both) coming out don't have women as THE primary characters as was the case once upon a time. It's not an issue with Pixar I feel as an overall issue with the movie industry today.

I will belatedly add that Pixar may be understandably wary of stretching in the directions you suggest: *every* attempt at moving animation in more "adult" directions, from "Heavy Metal" to Bakshi's LOTR to "The Black Cauldron" as well as more recent and milder attempts like "Titan AE" and "Treasure Planet" has failed commercially and (mostly) artistically.
Also note that blue-screen films like "300" and the Star Wars prequels essentially *are* CG animation with human actors pasted on top.

When you can do that why bother going to the trouble of trying to model and render "realistic" humans? (This is also why Pixar, despite their technical prowess, keeps their humans so "cartoony" looking).

Well, I absolutely agree about wanting to see an Incredibles 2 project. Also, it would be nice to have some strong female leads but you did forget Princess Atta and Collette. While neither are main characters they aren't pushovers either. It would be nice to have a main female protagonist sometime soon though.

JGM - I have to respectfully disagree. There is a market for adult animation. One only needs to look at Family Guy, the Simpsons, SouthPark or really anything on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim. That's without even mentioning the Anime market, which, though it's smallish in the U.S. is HUGE overseas. Take for example, Princess Mononoke or Spirited Away. Two Hugely successful films both financially and especially artistically. TV has figured it out, but film just hasn't yet. Although, I would argue that Pixar is the closest. In my opinion, Wall-E was speaking mostly to adults.

Also, I think that the market will explode with animation in the next 20 years. A large portion of the current generation is growing up with anime. It's just a matter of time before they get behind the wheel and become the execs that drive the production in Hollywood.

Chris - You said that "There's been an increasing feeling over the years that 98% of the blockbusters/great films (which UP is both) coming out don't have women as THE primary characters as was the case once upon a time."

I think the reason for this is that Hollywood has tried to become too politically correct. In the past, yes there were more women as leads in film, but if most of those movies came out today, people would say that the women aren't real enough or just feminine stereotypes. Before the 60's women were still treated unfairly and as (at least on some level) a minority. And when I say minority, I mean in the persecuted sense. So could it be, that out of fear of bad press stirred up by feminist groups, Hollywood has been less daring to cast women in lead roles? Now, in our society and culture, it is easy for anyone to publicize their thoughts, opinions and feelings. So this makes it especially hard to please everyone. Since Hollywood tends to be conservative in it's trends (i.e. "stick with what works") they are in a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" situation.

Though, I'm not excusing them, of course. The situation they are in is of their making. I'm just saying that there are more factors to consider to understand their point of view. It's not that they're bad people, they just haven't made the best decisions. But then, that's my philosophy-- every villian is the hero of their own story. Most people think (or try to think) they are doing the right thing or making the wise decision.

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